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The Paradox of Trump's Middle East Tour: Building Peace in Complex Cultures
Skepticism meets diplomacy in this thought-provoking conversation about news, accusations, and international relations. We begin by questioning recent allegations against 85-year-old Smokey Robinson, pondering why accusations from nearly two decades ago are surfacing now. Is this a genuine pursuit of justice or simply an attempt to access a celebrity's wealth before their passing? Our candid analysis expresses concern about a cultural trend where accusations without substantial evidence can permanently damage reputations and lives.
The heart of our discussion focuses on Trump's recent diplomatic tour of Arab nations, where we wrestle with the fundamental tension between building peace and addressing human rights concerns. How do we engage with cultures whose values differ dramatically from our own? Should we prioritize diplomatic progress and economic cooperation over ideological alignment? We explore the fascinating possibility that Trump's pragmatic approach might be creating inroads where previous administrations struggled, particularly with cultures that view American social changes with bewilderment or concern.
Throughout our conversation, we acknowledge the genuine complexity of these issues. We recognize the stark differences between America's short-term policy goals and Middle Eastern cultures' millennium-spanning perspectives. Rather than offering oversimplified solutions, we invite you to consider these nuances alongside us. Whether you're interested in current events, international relations, or cultural differences, this episode offers a refreshing, thoughtful take on today's headlines that goes beyond partisan talking points. Subscribe to join our ongoing exploration of the news that shapes our world, and share your thoughts with us—we'd love to hear your perspective on these challenging topics.
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Well, hello and good morning, Welcome to Friday and a special episode.
Speaker 2:Is that knocking at your door? Is that knocking at your door?
Speaker 1:Yes, it's Friday, we have the gent with it. I have taken the day off for a three-day weekend. Partay Woo, partay.
Speaker 2:You slept in until 5.30 this morning.
Speaker 1:I did sleep in until 5.30.
Speaker 2:That's just crazy.
Speaker 1:All right, but last night, as we were going over the news right before we went to bed, Lots of news there is. I saw a report. A report I saw somebody tweeted I think it was Freedom Talk News. He's a new account that I've started to follow on X and he reposted a story for the New York Post about Smokey Robinson being investigated and perhaps, maybe for things back in 2008 or 2004 or something like that, to 2000,. But up until 2024, I think 20 years ago.
Speaker 1:Well, 2000. Up until yeah, my automatic first gut thought reaction was these former employees. Smokey Robinson is 85 years old.
Speaker 2:He was 88 20 years ago, so continue.
Speaker 1:He's 85 right now. Yeah whatever, well, I think you lied on his birth certificate. Well, I personally again. When I first read it, my first gut thought reaction was since he's 85 years old now, these former employees are just simply trying to get his money before the man dies. That's what I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, first of all, that story is all true, I'm sure it's going on. First of all, that story is all true, I'm sure it's going on. But I still go back to you know, 20 years ago he was to me. He was 98 years old.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So he's 128 now and he's still doing this stuff. No, no, somebody's just out to get him. Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 1:I mean, if it is true, then I'm sorry, but my gut reaction says no.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and of course, with all the you know, I guess we have a precedent. You know, I can claim, something happened 40 years ago.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And it's got to be believed, even if there's no witnesses, there's no act. Right, it's, you know, somebody's word. I can't remember the days that EG Right, it's somebody's word. I can't remember the days.
Speaker 1:That E Jean Carroll, I can't remember the month. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think I remember the year.
Speaker 1:And it was sexy.
Speaker 2:But by God he did it, but by God she did it that E Jean or something happened?
Speaker 1:Yes, we're talking about E Jean Carroll.
Speaker 2:Well, I think everybody knows who we're talking about, but yeah, so yeah, I just don't buy those stories. I don't either.
Speaker 1:And I think people who do that if they find out to be they're lying, they need to be charged and sent to jail. Absolutely, do Absolutely, or a hefty fine or something. Serve time, I don't know. Because you ruin somebody's life like that.
Speaker 2:Slanderous.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's awful. Well, you know, got to believe everybody.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. It's awful Bull crap. I'll tell you my truth, my truth.
Speaker 1:Well, speaking of truthful things, all right, I've been. Everybody has been having their eye on Donald Trump over here, visiting all these Arab countries, nations, whatever they're called, I don't know. My foreign policy is like Joe Biden's brain mush for brains I have no idea about. I don't know who's ahead of what. I don't know their names. I don't really pay attention, oh Lord. So I don't know. Everybody seems to be loving Trump going over here, and I understand why. I'm a little leery of it myself. Maybe I'm old school, I don't know, but I understand him wanting peace, and everybody wants peace. I understand, and we need to try something new. I understand that too. So what are your thoughts on this whole thing? I'm open. I'm open, but I'm also open with leeryness.
Speaker 2:On what on his.
Speaker 1:That's a joke, okay.
Speaker 2:That's a joke. It kind of goes back to the old Cheech and Chong thing. Where he was, it was Dave and he was talking to a guy and he was asking him questions about you know? No, it wasn't Dave, it was another guy. But he'd ask him questions like you know? No, he was doing a TV commercial. And he'd go to him questions like you know what? Uh, no, he was doing a TV commercial. And he'd go to him and say, all right, what's your opinion? And he'd go, yeah, no, no, I need your opinion. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was doing a commercial or something.
Speaker 2:And that's kind of the mush that goes around in my brain too and, I think, a lot of people's brains, as far as what's going on over in the Middle East and what Trump's actually accomplishing, because there are so many nuances that we just don't know and they probably just don't tell us. As far as the history, the relationships between the countries, what the countries are trying to establish as far as the Middle East goes, where their power goes, what they want, what their future is, we're, as Americans, we're in it for this short game. What can we get and how can we improve next year and the year after that, their cultures are what are we going to have a hundred and a thousand years from now? How are we developing that? So our goals are so much different. So, like I said, there are other things. Our goals are different, our philosophies are different, our religions are different. There's so many different nuances to what's going on that these could possibly be short-term investments, short-term things that we really gain from, and it could be that we gain things long-term as well. You know, you just don't know.
Speaker 2:So my take on it is that if there is and can be peace brought about for the short-term periods, so be it and that's a good thing. Because what's the other alternative? War, War in the short term, or ignoring it altogether. So if you can have, have peace, maybe you can build on that peace. Maybe there, you know, you can stretch that peace out, and hopefully that's what's being gained right now, because what was over there wasn't working. It isn't working. There's too much tension, there's too much strife, everybody gets a bomb, everybody blows everybody up and we start over again is not what I think the world wants to happen.
Speaker 1:I understand, but I guess I'm having a hard time understanding how we can just gloss over and ignore parts of their culture that just humiliate and treat other humans horribly. And you know, you throw gay people off the top of the buildings, or how they treat their women and blah, blah, blah. You know, I don't know, I just got a little. They really some of their teachings. Maybe it's their extreme Muslims, I don't know, they want to destroy Christians. So I don't know, I've got a slight problem. But you know, I heard yesterday on the radio I don't know who it was Jesse Waters talking about it, how Trump says we understand the differences in our cultures and what you do over there is none of our business. I mean, oh, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:There again, there's part of the nuance that says you know, do we have peace amongst the people there first and then hope that some of their ideas about some of those things will soften, or do you just let the tensions continue to build until you know everything is destroyed? That's part of the I don't understand and my brain goes to mush as well. And again, I think a lot of people lose interest in following that because they can't follow all the nuances of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you know it's all about the money. If we can make money, money, money, then it's. You know, everybody's all right. All these people that have loved Trump and has always loved Trump, they see no wrong in this whatsoever, and I understand. I understand too, but let's not gloss over and forget some of the atrocities. No, absolutely not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:I don't know. And I understand needing to do things differently too, and I don't want war, of course not. So I don't know.
Speaker 2:We'll see. Do we believe in? You have to dig deep into yourself and dig deep into what you're thinking about us here as well. Do we believe in you know we believe in the rights of all people. If you're gay, you're gay, that's great, I don't care, go live your life. But do we believe that men should be with women and women should be with men, or do we believe that men should be with men and women should be with women? Our attitude toward it is different. Maybe their attitude will soften as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah right.
Speaker 2:That's the whole thing right now.
Speaker 1:They did let Scott Bessett sit up there on the stage with them.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. And you know, as it was reported, you know Trump did not get thrown off of the top of a building for dancing to YMCA.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So maybe you know, the ideas are okay are okay, we can live and let live, but we don't have to have it in the forefront of everything, like the Americans do.
Speaker 1:Right, right and us not trying to go over there and change their stuff.
Speaker 2:Right, we don't have to change their culture. Right, and we don't have to change their culture.
Speaker 1:Right and I don't want to do that.
Speaker 2:But their relationships with each other is basically what they're trying to, I guess, improve.
Speaker 1:I mean, look at our culture. We think men can have babies. So maybe I need to shut up about that babies.
Speaker 2:So maybe, maybe I need to shut up about that. You know and part of that whole thing is one of the things that was talked about you know, the past administration was going over and they, you know they were all looking at america going. Oh my god, what's going on over there? They're trying to make women play in men's sports. Or men and women's sports, or men play in women's sports.
Speaker 1:You're right, I didn't think about it that way.
Speaker 2:And they're promoting this culture, gay culture, and then they're promoting this and they're wanting all this.
Speaker 1:Godless atheist socialism.
Speaker 2:Those people are crazy, you're right. And now this leader comes over and says no, we're getting rid of all that crap, we're coming back to the real world and they're going okay, we have a sane leader, yes, we have a sane government. Now we have sane people who actually, we can probably deal with, instead of what we saw for the last four years, because we couldn't deal with that Number one, we couldn't deal with it Number two we never got to talk to him because you know All right, I don't mean. You know the reason.
Speaker 1:I don't mean to rush you up here, but we need to get. We're already over 10 minutes, but I wish I was able to watch the whole spectacle of everything, of all the ceremonies and arrivals, but I wasn't able to. It was gorgeous.
Speaker 2:Me too, it was fantastic.
Speaker 1:All right, we've got to go. Question of the day.
Speaker 2:What's in your wallet.
Speaker 1:What's in your wallet. You want to tell what's in your wallet Cash or credit cards. Driver's license.
Speaker 2:I still carry a prophylactic. Oh what just kidding oh my God. He does not as teenage boys, you know. He's like, yeah, I've got to go.
Speaker 1:I've been in his wallet, it's not.
Speaker 2:You've been in my wallet, yeah.
Speaker 1:I've been in your wallet.
Speaker 2:Getting money.
Speaker 1:No, when did you get in my wallet? You've told me to get your wallet before we need to get you know You've been in my phone. No worry about you. Remember that, oh my God.
Speaker 2:I got, so you remember Tyrus on Gutfeld last night. You weren't listening to that. No, oh my God, it was hilarious. That was what I was bringing up. What, tyrus, on Gutfeld, they were talking about the. You'd have to have seen it now. You missed it. But he was talking about how the guy somebody getting caught. I think it was the lady that was doing that question, remember? She asked the question and the guy answered it and she was like no.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And he made the comment about. You know, it's like the guy coming home and he gets caught with his girlfriend and his wife. She brings it up and the whole thing revolves around. Instead of being unfaithful it's, you were in my phone. It's not about that I'm having affairs over here. You were in my phone and I can't trust you. If you're in my phone, it's not about the relationship I was having over here on the side. You were in my phone, got it Anyway.
Speaker 1:All right, got to go.
Speaker 2:Go Dawgs.
Speaker 1:Love y'all. See you Bye.
